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10/06/2011

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Paul Beedle

Matt, I'm with you on using the leverage we have. But old and mellow? My friend, I'm afraid your statement has "generation gap" written all over it. Something important (and probably futile politically, possibly memorable socially and culturally) is happening for this crop of young adults. You and I saw something just as messy happening for young adults when we were kids. I'm sure I'm viewing the "Occupy" movement with gut-level resistance to it that comes from growing up in an "Establishment" family in the 1960s who felt confused and afraid of the protests and the drugs back then. (And the rock music! Except the Beatles were cool...weird, but cool...) Right at this moment, I have just about no economic leverage, and that's balancing out my gut reaction. I find myself feeling aloof and fascinated by it all. Not interested in being part of it (it resembles the consensus model of the Unitarian Universalist youth caucus just a little too much - too much wheel spinning), sympathetic (as you are) to its frustration with the financial powers of our economy, and bemused by the cluelessness of media commentary. Thanks for posting this, and for your courage to risk the ire of the more knee-jerk activists among us. I think probably there is less of that and more of thoughtful reflection among us than you seem to fear.

In friendship -
Paul

Eric Posa

As I recently commented to another colleague with a similar concern: "Is occupation an inherently oppressive act, or can it be a tool of liberation? Yes, occupation clearly has been used oppressively for centuries - and many in the 2011 Occupy movement have not attended to our own privilege and complicity nearly as much as you or I may hope. But I believe occupation is employed in the service of oppression, or of liberation, based upon it's focus and purpose. The process of organizing people marginalized in varying ways, to occupy spaces long claimed by oppressors, strikes me as having a great potential to build beloved communities of justice and solidarity, to subvert the powers that be and bring about substantive social change...if the movement can move forward. The declaration of grievances was an important step; please, God, let the next step truly begin to move things forward."

Heather

I'm glad you wrote this, and I particularly like the paragraph about practical steps you're taking to change your interaction with the financial system.

Since reading this, I've been trying to think of how to create a social media forum where people can add the practical things they're doing. There are so many interesting social media platforms, that sometimes it's difficult to figure out which one is best for a certain project! What do you think?

UUKat

I disagree with your objection to the word "occupy". Nitpicking about a word takes the focus away from the real issues. Call it "Protest Wall Street" or whatever you want. You occupy the space you are in right now - does that make you an army? The purpose of the movement is to call attention to the flaws in our economic system. You have some personal power in choosing your bank, etc., and that's a good thing to do also, but protesting is also a great way to initiate change. You say "we initiated this mess", but that is just as true of the mess we made in Vietnam, and that was also an important mess to protest. Here is a great column by Mark Bittman on this topic: http://nyti.ms/pMjSPM

Rev Matt

Words create culture. Perhaps we should lynch, shackle, enslave, nuke, or rape Wall St. instead? These are not nitpicky words. Neither is an occupation. Europeans occupied Manhattan and the entire continent once. Let's not use the language of violence for peaceful revolution.

UUKat

Of course we don't want to nuke Wall Street. But occupy is not a violent word. It's what you do in a sit-in. It's a peaceful protest.
The definition from Wikipedia involves "occupying":
A sit-in or sit-down is a form of protest that involves occupying seats or sitting down on the floor of an establishment.

BTW, We, the descendants of those Europeans, still occupy Manhattan and the entire continent! Most of us are non-violent :-)

So I guess it hinges on what the word means to you!

Carol

What else but 'occupy' can the powerless do to gain traction and attention to their issues?

I agree with taking action and look what the occupiers have achieved so far- changing the national conversation from "debt, debt, debt" to "jobs, jobs, jobs", getting some politicians to acknowledge and say the words "income inequality", getting other politicians to introduce bills to change "Citizens United", pointing out that there is something wrong with the way we have been doing thigs and making suggestions on how to do those things better, and even getting Rev Tittle to change from a bank to a credit union.

These are all positive actions that would not have happened if the occupiers did not occupy.

Carol

As a follow up, I read today that more than 650,000 customers joined credit unions between September 29 -- the day Bank of America announced the $5 debit card fee -- and the first week in November-- 40,000 on November 5 (National Bank Transfer Day) alone.

The top 10 retail banks are projected to lose $185 billion in deposits over the next year for ignoring consumer concerns.

The banks still continue their abusive and possibly (if it is not, it should be) "creative investing techniques" and continue to teeter on the brink of failure. When they come hat-in-hand for their next big bailout, I suspect they will find a much less friendly audience.

This was a "social media, OWS, word-of-mouth" event and it seems to have made one of the OWS points pretty effectively.

OWS is as much about pointing out economic injustice and having us talk about it (rather than to continue to ignore it) as it is just having a long list of complaints about economic problems. Watching passive students, vets, and the elderly being callously beaten and sprayed with chemical weaponry point out this
inherent unfairness in a way that is hard to ignore.

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